Are You Verbose? Locationless, Locationless, Locationless
By hookline on 10-Oct-10. Waypoint GA2628

This geocache listing no longer follows the guidelines required for a Locationless cache. https://wiki.geocaching.com.au/wiki/Locationless_cache As such we will archive it and encourage the CO to place a locationless cache that meets the new guidelines.

My ‘real’ GCA journey started in June 2022 after I figured out how to use my iPhone with the query system. I dabbled with GCA a few years ago but had to rely on other people which usually meant not going to the caches I like. I get to hunt GCA caches solo now which means I can target specific ones that I want to visit.. the ones that were always there but I never knew about! Numbers mean nothing to me so I’ll happily drive past 20 Traditional caches to get to a Trig point cache or Earthcache and think nothing of it. I’ve mentioned that fact to a few geocachers over the years and I would see confusion and even anxiety in their faces just thinking about it hahaha.

So at about the time of my GCA enlightenment I started to change the way I log. A number of events around that time caused the change (and other changes but that’s another story!). You can see the evolution in my stats.

My average verbosity of GC and GCA is 62

I’ve been active with GC since 2013 but as mentioned above only active with GCA for a few months. Prior to a few months ago I wrote simple logs. Always a thank you and included route details etc if I thought it would help someone but they were usually always brief and to the point. To my credit I don’t think I’ve ever just written TFTC. Nowadays I try to add a little story to some of my logs and try to be more expressive.


Verbosity Average (GC) - 33
Highest word count log - 740
GC9TR63 Forgotten Falls

The experience of me removing a leech from a someone’s eye needed to be written!


Verbosity Average (GCA) - 91
Highest word count log - 488
TP0853 Acacia

That one was published in 2009 and I was the first to find recently so I added lots of details on my route to GZ. I like to help fellow Trig-hunters with my logs and I appreciate detailed logs on the Trigs I have yet to find. I’m fortunate to have many Trig point caches not far from me that have been logged by Grahame Cookie and MattyRx who both include detailed descriptions of their journeys. Time to plan my next Trig adventure…

Thanks for the cache

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We just qualify for this cache.

Verbosity Average (GCA)

Average of 60 words per log
Longest log of 361 words on Bridges to nowhere by  steptoe
Shortest log of 11 words on Bee Careful by  Nana Nel

We like reading the logs that have a decent story behind them, particularly when we go looking for trig points as they can give us some good clues about how to find the best access to GZ.
As a result we try to write decent logs in return.
When we first started we had some pretty dismal logs, but we have gone back and corrected most of them since. Lucky we have a good memory and are also trying to encourage the kids to write regular weekly journal entries. This means our average verbosity is a bit lower than it should be as GA doesn't seem to load and count the updated logs.

Our discovery of locationless caches has also caused this stat to take a hit as sometimes there is only so many ways to say "completed the puzzle / riddle thanks"

Thanks for the locationless statistics scavenger hunt!

Looking though some of the older locationless caches, I discovered that I qualify for this one. I love creating longer logs and shown in the photo (which will be uploaded shortly), my average is way higher than 60 words per log. I feel it provides the CO with a detailed account of finding cache as well as any TLC required. It also provides other readers the opportunity to hear about my adventure for both the day and for finding this cache. TFTLC

I came upon this one when I was looking for something (or I should say someone) different to do do to help me complete a challenge I'm currently doing - to log a cache every day in June 2020, each by a different hider. I opted for this one because it was an easy find since I know that my GC average is around 110 words per log ... yes, I have a tendency to be a bit wordy in my logs but I do this as much for my benefit as for the hider's. I think it's great to be able to look back at a log and know what the circumstances were that brought me to that cache and what was interesting (or not) about the experience.

Anyway, my verbosity average currently stands at 99 words per log, which is somewhat lower than my GC only average. It seems that my locationless cache logs over the past 3 months are quite a bit shorter than I normally do out in the field. Indeed, I see that I average just 46 words/log on GCA.

Thanks for publishing this locationless hookline.

Hey just found this while looking for a different locationless and YES I very much do qualify for this. I like reading longs of others and know it is nice of the person to read a bit more what was going on. Specialially in a caching capital like the ACT with a small active community you know people actually read them not just the CO. So yes without extra effort I qualify and like that this habit gets rewarded this way.

Average of 84 words per log
Longest log of 760 words on UGC 10B Doctoral Degree - 2nd Credit - Challenge by Cerberus Rapidlywild
Shortest log of 6 words on Mary Immaculate East by Neutral Geocaching Australia

According to this apparently I am
Verbosity Average (GCA)Average of 87 words per log
Longest log of 469 words on Locationless Geocaching Australia What's in a name? by Phoenix sharnie's tribe
Shortest log of 10 words on Locationless Geocaching Australia Worth remembering by Neutral
Whilst logging this it occurred to me that the reason I like writing decent logs, is that, as a cache owner, I really enjoy reading finds on my caches. Especially humourous ones.
Although I once received a cache note of just a smiley face. In retrospect that one emoji told me all I needed to know - they'd located the cache okay, the log must have been dry, the pen must have still been there, they mustn't have taken anything, or left anything either, they weren't chased by a wild bull or bitten by bullants, so to all intents and purposes they were happy with the cache. I would have been seriously concerned if that emoji was a sad or wild face without a reason for it.
Enough of this verbosity, thankyou for this Locationless.

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It is really lucky that we remembered this one and checked our verbosity, as it is currently an average of 61, which we believe makes us eligible to log this cache! Sadly our GCA average is somewhat lower at 39, which we attribute to generally very short logs on moveables. Our longest log has apparently been 531 words and our shortest 1 word - which somewhat surprised us as we thought it would be at least 2, as in 'Found it'.

We were reminded about this location less cache after reding a number of rather long logs that referred to it, and decided to check on our verbosity score - having no idea at all what it might be. We generally try to write a reasonable length log, with our favourite caches or ones that provided more of an experience (either good or bad) for whatever reason getting longer ones. Journal writing is something that DD detests, so. Aches are appreciated when the logs are longer! TFTC

Hi there, I was scrolling through the locationless caches and found this one . A quick check found that my average is 123 . Woohoo!! Thanks for setting up this cache.

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Hello Hookline thank you for for the cache.

This has been a challenging cache as I am not a writer by any means and I have trouble with my words.

But after a lot of verbiage I eventually got my average up to the required average to obtain the the number required to log this cache.

Thanks for the cache.

Stumbled across this cache and thought geez I certainly know that I would be eligible for this cache .
Average of 169 words per log
Longest log of 622 words on Traditional Woodlands 02 - Wayne Drew by Neutral Team_Woodlands
Shortest log of 4 words on Locationless Geocaching Australia Windmills - So Many about, in so many styles by Neutral Team GraMon
I would like to thank you for the cache and the challenge

I am tempted just to write TFTC but that would be cramping my style. You see I've developed a certain unofficial template for writing logs. Firstly I would say what brought me to this location - we were visiting friends; it was a nice day out and we decided to go for a drive; we'd heard about this cache and how it meets our interests; or simply we were at home watching TV and the phone went ding with a new cache notification. In this case, a comment on another similar locationless in the GCA forum eventually led me to this one.

The next paragraph is always about the hunt - what did we see on the way in; who actually made the find; perhaps a cryptic clue to help the next finder; as a history nut sometimes I can share something of the historical story of the area - which might be just a little bit of showing off on my behalf. Perhaps I might be showing off to point out that my verbosity stats currently are...

Average of 112 words per log
Longest log of 539 words on Traditional Kookaburra Laugh by saintsmadhouse
Shortest log of 3 words on Traditional Mattocks #2 - Community Centre by ash&shaun1003

I confess that the shortest log was a really boring cache in a really boring series, by cache owners who were notorious for super short logs - my personal opinion only of course.

Actually it would be interesting to do the verbosity stats on cache descriptions - since 99% of our caches are based on history - stories, sites etc it can be terribly difficult to keep them down to a reasonable word count.

Finally, I always like to thank the cache owner, because every cacher who hides a cache has made an effort and that effort should be thanked. So in closing, I'd like to say thank you for this locationless.

After 1739 caches in both GA & GC my word count has got to 60. It has been at that point for quite a while now, however my GA count has been going downn and is probably under 50 with my GC count going up and is currently on 77. Have to lift my game on my GA logs & to explain more what I had to go through to get the find. It was easy to find the information from My Profile. Thanks for this locationless hookline

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Way back on 11th October 2012 I was able to log a found on this one when I got to the magic number of 60. I have been on 80 for awhile now
and am now at 81 as of today. Photo of entry on my stats is attached to assist the CO on checking my claim. I have in place that every log I write will have a minimum word count of 60 so this helps. Still trying to make the logs read with sense.TFTL HOOKLINE.

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Average of 94 words per log
Longest log of 744 words on Traditional Glenbrook Ramble #1A Welcome to Glenbrook by Griffin whitemushroom
Shortest log of 3 words on Moveable Geocaching Australia Cerberus Angel Baby 1 by Cerberus Black Bunny

Sadly, my average log length has now gradually dropped well below 100. With so many thousands of logs now, including many moveables, I've tended to run out of words!

I still remember my lower Blue Mountains adventure that ended up to be 744 words long! That was quite a day! I think that was one of my friend White Mushroom's first caches.

And apologies to another friend, Black Bunny, for such a short log on that moveable . . .

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I always try to write decent logs, although admittedly recently with all the power trails I have been doing, there is a fair bit of copy and paste. currently my word count per log stands at 117 which is half decent compared to many. I didn't know about this cache until someone posted on the Geocaching Melbourne Facebook group.

thanks.

Now logging this Locationless a second time as my stats are at an average of 86 words per log, up from 60 back in June 2012. Everyone can easily add more information in their logs, whether to inform the owner, prospective next finders or for their own memory, so I think this is locationless is a great motivator to put a little extra effort into writing up the logs. Thanks hookline!
Cheers
MajuraHathi

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Whoo hoo! We got there at last. I was always under the impression that I was fairly verbose (many would say overly so) when committing pen to paper or fingers to keyboard, making up for a certain lack of loquacity when prompted to open my big mouth. I am naturally not a particularly garrilous person but I do like to indulge myself in the joys and nuances of the English language as she is writ by immersing myself in long Victorian novels on occasion. So I was rather dismayed to find when checking our vital statistics some months ago that we were sitting on an average of only 59. I am clearly not as voluble in my literary endeavours as I first suspected and am truly in awe, nay gob-smacked of my fellow cachers skills in erudite wordiness who can claim an average of over 100 words per log. Theirs must truly be pearls of cache hunting prose worthy of multiple re-reads and perhaps even the odd quote. I was however gratified once to receive an email from a cache hider whose caches I had waxed lyrical on to some small degree who wished that favourite points were available to award to posters of amusing and entertaining logs.

Enough forsooth! The above prattling waffle tots up to over 200 words so far which should go some way towards our next goal. Suffice to say that our GCA stats currently advise we are at an average of 61 words per log with the longest log of 498 words for Every Day a Different Mystery Challenge & the shortest log of 1 measly "word" (TFTC - shame on us!!) for Bicheno Blowhole. We did in fact correct our miserable "TFTC" entry online some two years later but to our lasting shame it remains cast in bytes and preserved for all posterity in the depths of the GCA database.

Thanks for another opportunity to indulge in voluble expansiveness hookline. Did you know that logorrhea means an excessive and often uncontrollable flow of words? Rather appropriate I thought.

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hookline

Nice to know that I'm thought of as Awesome with a verbosity currently sitting at 113
Perhaps I ramble on too much in my logs, but given I don't find many in a day I have time to reminisce about the few finds I do find when I'm out caching.
Powertrails would be interesting way to up my verbosity though to 120+ (if I ever did one). I could just write one decent log and then copy it into all the caches found - but that seems pretty mean thing to do on the Wandering Heroes trail
TFTLC hookline

Cheers

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For a long time, I was one 59 words - so close to 60! However I recently did the RGGT PT in Wagga Wagga and for most of the 80 caches, we copy/pasted a long log. Therefore it pushed the average up to 64 - yay!

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We have recently been introduced to these locationless caches on GCA. I was reading about the requirements for each find and found this little beauty waiting for a find

As per the instructions I checked our stats and found that we are currently running at 83 words per log on average (634 for the longest).

This find was easy but to claim another find will take many, many more words in our logs I reckon

Many thanks for a great idea for a locationless and a great way to encourage longer logs Captain Terror and rudi63

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Okay, got there!
83 Words average, and a longest of 466.
Sorry, but the view isn't very good from here, or I would make this a bit longer. And I can't fit a Correct Site Marker in a Locationless

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Made it......yep now at 62 words per log. Longest is 774 and shortest is 3.

Thanks for the chance to be more creative.

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#GA16 - 21:50; Since topping the 60 words per log mark, I have been searching for this cache to complete the log. Silly me, I was searching for 'verbosity' to no avail, when I was looking for 'verbose'. Anyway, all fixed now and on the hunt for the next cache.

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Just did a quick check and it seems I'm getting better (or worse) at writting logs. I claimed '80' at 94WPL (Words per log) and I'm now updating that and claiming the '100' on an average of 105WPL.

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Wow - I checked my stats and found an average of 75.

Average of 75 words per log
Longest log of 404 words on Geogaine 2010 by Zytheran
Shortest log of 1 words on Sign me up by jenkoz

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Wow, just happened to check our Stats today and saw that we now have an .....
"Average of 120 words per log
Longest log of 702 words on Spladem Night Cache #4 - Sheperds Bush by Spladem
Shortest log of 11 words on Coleman Park by Gonefishen07"
Actually our longest log would be on Spladem's 888 Event that I had to split into a Log and a Note as I went over the accepted word limit lol
When I - JMelb - log the caches, the average is usually well over 100. lol!! When GMelb logs them they're usually a fair bit under 100 lol!!!
PS This log is 120 words!
Thanks for the encouragement and the cache hookline!
GJMMelb

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Hi hookline
Just checked my average and it is exactly 100. (Please see photos)
My longest log is 1193 words in length for "Snakes at a Cache" by psychokat.
My shortest is only 6 words long for "On The Way Back to the City" by rebulus.
It has taken a long time to achieve this milestone and I can't think of 100 words for this log at the moment, so;
TFTC and cheers
OldSaint.

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Average of 134 words, longest is 412 words. And my shortest (of 2 words) isn't really that bad as it says TNLNSL TFTC - but the actual log is attached to my 'Needs Maintenance' log of the same day. This was actually on my 2nd ever find, so I didn't quite have the process down yet.

It's not that hard to right a decent log for the cache owner, without them, this would be a very boring game!! But my finds closest to home stat would look much better!!!

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It has taken me, t seem, ages to reach the magic count of 60. Just checked my verbosity and I have finally made it. If all goes to plan to day I will have another 105 logs to enter as I am doing the 93 power trail caches at Stanthorpe Qld plus a few other caches that have been placed close to where I am driving today that were placed after my last visit to this area. TFTC.

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It was this locationless cache that initially prompted me to increase my log length, and put more effort into writing logs for caches I found, and I'm very happy that I have.

So, currently my verbosity is an average of 69 words, with a longest of 470.

Thanks for the cache hookline!

Well we finally did it! Current average of 62 words per log.....

We saw this locationless about 6mths ago and Mr E decided it would be a good one to try for....having said that it is I, Mrs E, who has done all the work to achieve it!!!

Although I have been challenged and quite enjoyed writing more interesting logs and will continue to do so, I won't be trying to achieve the next milestone. The pressure is now off.

Longest log of 758 words - GC1ZHA9
Shortest log 1 word - GC14C95 (logged before finding this)

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I've been growing more long-winded with my logging posts since I caught the BadgeGen Badge Bug and consciously was trying to get higher up The Author scale. So this challenge locationless was a piece of cake for me! Somewhat ironic given I am a quiet one... Thanks for the cache.

Log Length, words: Total Words: 111613, Average: 78, (Total Characters: 597505)
Longest: GA4421 797, Shortest: GC1NJ2N 2

Wouldnt it be ironic if you wrote a short log for this which dropped your average below 60 words? This log is exactly 60 words long so I should be fine!

My verbosity has been 60 for a while now, but I'm not into Locationaless caches in a major way so hadnt bothered to claim this 'find' until now.

Thanks

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Unfortunately I'm only halfway there:
Average: 34 words per log
Longest: 274 words on "A|C|G|T (KK 04)"
Shortest: 1 words on "The End of the World as We Gnome It: The Fourth"

Well I reckon this Locationless is a "Premium" coz I like that we're being encouraged to show gratitude to cache owners through quality (or at least verbose) logs. It doesn't take much extra effort, in fact it helps you to remember the experience you had when you find the cache.
I have been keping an eye on the average verbosity meter for a while and now I have finally topped out at the magic 60.
Thanks to Miss Stormcatchers who alerted me to this GCA and helped me realise what it was all about.
Thanks for the locationless, if we had Favourite points on Locationless caches, this would definately get one from me.
Cheers
MajuraHathi

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Claiming for topping 80 on the verbosity meter!

071755KJUN12 (Google DTG for details)
0km from home.
Found out about this cache through a work colleague who is currently madly padding out his logs to achieve the magic 60, I wasn’t sure what my score was but I do like to spin a yarn for the owner and anyone following to have a read of and hopefully a chuckle at. Even with logs that are a single letter and others that are a single word, my current “Verbosity” level is 94 including one effort of 748 words. Like I said, I like to spin a yarn.

Thanks for the cache Trailrunning, Captain Terror & rudi63.
Roaring Ford
Discovering Australia and the World, one hide at a time.

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When we saw this cache and set it as a target our average was 43 words per cache over approximately 3800 caches. We calculated that if we could average 180 words per cache for the next 600 caches we would reach our target. We had to work extremely hard to get verbose logs for the 600 caches but we have finally managed to reach the target. Our current average is 63 words per cache. We have added a screen dump to the Gallery showing our caching name and current verbosity score. Now we only have to maintain 60+ words a cache. We don't intend to aim for 80 and 100 words per cache as we have a policy of only logging unique finds even if the cache conditions permit multiple finds to be logged. TFTC hookline.

Agent Basil made me aware of this one.

Neat idea, I agree short logs of only a few words are disappointing but then again if there is nothing to say....
I didn't need to write extra lengthy for this cache but seemingly have been doing so all along. Well I guess I treat it a bit as communication to other (also the CO off course) but also as notes to myself, well this is as close to a diary as I ever got or will get.

I would still not try and write extra long logs to get to any higher step in this. That is doomed to be boring and agonizing just babbling on about stuff no one want to hear.

If anything I probably already write too long logs
Thanks for the cache idear hookline

my stats:
Average of 67 words per log
Longest log of 415 words on Tick Tock by Tankengine
Shortest log of 9 words on Shades of Miss Havisham? by Pip & Robbie

Woohoo we can finally log this cache. After hearing about this virtual from Agent Basil writing a massive log on our little micro, Miss Stormcatcher set this as a goal. 

Luckily we generally wrote reasonable logs but we were sitting on a average of 51... so we had to pick up our game if we were to increase our verbelosity. Sometimes it's hard to write long logs but it is rewarding having descriptive logs to re-live the experience and share our fun with the cache owners. 

Lots of logs later we now have an Average of 61 words per log, with a Longest log of 518 words and Shortest log of 5 words!

Thank you for this great virtual challenge. 

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First GCA cache! Woohoo.

With 10 finds under my belt, an average log length of approximately 30 words and two eventful finds still to log this was an easy locationless to qualify for. Once I discovered that logs of substance are preferred to simple TFTC logs I just told my stories and BAM an average of 82 words per log. I guess the trick now is to maintain it. It shouldn't be too hard with a geotoddler and geobaby to keep it interesting and eventful.

Thanks hookline for the great cache. It has taught a new geocacher a valuable lesson. Also thanks to Agent Basil (who doesn't know me from a bar of soap) for recently mentioning this cache on the forum and thus facilitating my discovery of it.

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I have been getting better at writing just not sure if I am getting my point across sometimes? I have even gone back and re-written some of my other logs as they just did not do the cache or my log justice.

Average of 82 words per log
Longest log of 769 words on Parkinson's Curse - An Odyssey by Crew 153
Shortest log of 16 words on Gecko Trail#5- Hello Garry by geckomaster62

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This is the perfect cache to get the average Jo to increase the "TFTC", to a more detailed log. I have enjoyed being descriptive with my logs!

I have been getting better at it, and will strive to get more descriptive.

Average of 65 words per log
Longest log of 769 words on Parkinson's Curse - An Odyssey by Crew 153
Shortest log of 14 words on Ashes to Ashes by happyharries

For the longest log I had to cut it back as I hit the limit on gc.com, 4000 character.

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Hurray!! I've really enjoyed making longer logs since deciding to do this cache, so much so that I hope to come back and log again and again

And I'm very happy that my perseverance has paid off - my GCA stats say:
Average of 60 words per log
Longest log of 455 words on Lambeth Walk by Biggles Bear
Shortest log of 1 words on A Ferny Vale by an old hag

The shortest log was actually a mistake sent on the iphone. I now wait to log at home because the phone is such a pain to try to type decent logs.

Thanks for this locationaless, its great, and has been a real inspiration to help our family get back into geocaching after a long break. Hope to log again soon!

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Well, here I am again, bang on a month since my last "Found" on this cache... My achievement is not excessive however, as last months log was 99% verbosity and I am now logging for breaking the three digit average...

GCA stats proudly list the following:
Average of 101 words per log
Longest log of 719 words on Iniduoh by Rogainer
Shortest log of 4 words on The Lion Park by bar-bq

So don't ask about The Lion Park, it was my nemesis cache for some time and the cause of much grief and frustration...

So where to from here... Onward and upward we hope. If you can't tell a story about each Geocache find, your not enjoying the sport enough... Easy really...

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My verbosity has dropped to 110!

When I first logged this cache about 10 months ago, I was on 179.

I guess I've slowed down a bit since then, and it doesn't look like I'll ever be able to raise my level to 199, required to log this Locationless once again.

With nearly 3000 logs in total now -- both GC and GCA -- it's hard to make rapid changes in any case.

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I don't usually do locationless - let alone GCA. But I think this cache is worthwhile logging.

I am proud of my verbosity - and nothing infuriates me than TFTC logs - or "found with such and such" logs.

Great idea for a cache. TFTC

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I have been accused on the odd occasion of being verbose. Actually, I'm not sure that is the words that was used but I got the picture...

I do like to document my adventure and with that, comes a log on lengthy proportions. My GCA stats suggest...

Verbosity Average of 99 words per log
Longest log of 719 words on Iniduoh by Rogainer

The longest log stat is actually incorrect. I wrote a much longer log for Mailbox of Terror (GC38HQ9) which sent GC.com into meltdown and I had to split the log in half and post the second part as a note. Maxed out the character limit apparently...

I never knew about this cache otherwise I might have snuck a log in at 60WPL. I'll log this as being above 80 and hopefully, very soon, I will be able to log again with a three digit average log...

Cheers...

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Verbosity: Average of 73 words per log - 542 logs so that makes it 39,566 words approximately written so far (not including this log).

Not a problem with this one. And what an awesome idea for a cache. I only have a few caches of my own out there and I absolutely love love love a wordy log entry coming though. And while I've always been a verbose sort of person, it really makes it worthwhile to know that others (the owners, the watchers and the subsequent loggers) are reading and appreciating it.

Longest log of 705 words on M.C.B.C. by lat&long junkie.

And to think I used to balk at a tincey thousand word essay at school.

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Hurrah me! I have been sitting on 59 words for absolutely eons but I have really put the effort in over my last 30 or so finds. I think I set a new record for a magnetic nano on the weekend and we all know how hard they can be to wax lyrical about! So, 80 is the next target, the target is 80. Well, I am a little non fussed by urban eclipse tins so it is actually easier to waffle on about those caches that take us on a little adventure. And whilst I am at it, my caching Karma is sitting on 199% so stand-by for another locationless log soon!

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Why isn't there a "Worth talking about" rating? Am I verbose? Well the answer must be yes with an average of 66 and my longest log being 600 words according to the stats page. The 600 worder was racked up not very long ago on a trek through Namadgi. I'm heading back to that exact spot next weekend (weather permitting of course) so might be able to push the stats up with another concourse.

I think my favourite log is my one from WhereFore! Art Thou? GC10BNE. Despite the fact that I logged it nearly 5 months ago I am still the last finder. Or maybe you'd be interested in checking out yesterdays little effort on Aussie Legends and Peacocks GC2G7XW.

Goodness I can ramble on a bit really can't I...underwater...with a mouth full of marbles... whilst drinking concrete.... TFTC's....all of them.

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No. When this was published I averaged 48 words. My average is now 49 so it is highly unlikely I'll ever meet the criteria.

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In a word : No

In matric my teacher said to the class if the question in the exam is "describe the meaning of ...." then you need to ensure you write a page to describe it, except you Adrian, the one paragraph you write is sufficient. Apparently I was very concise in my answers...

Anyway, my original 200 logs were very short, and generally between one word and one sentence. I even had a compliant from a friend that my logs were to short.

Since then I have worked and worked to include more information in each and every log. I checked today and I am on 61 words, so finally I am able to log this cache.

Thank you for encouraging me to improve my logs.

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Hi Hookline
Well, I have finally reached my 80 word average, or it was when I looked this morning.
It has taken some time from the 5th July this year to today to get it from an average of 60 words to eighty.
Haven't counted the number of caches that it took, but there have been quite a few.
During that time, one walk that I really enjoyed was that to the top of Mount Dromerdary in Tasmania (a trig point walk) with another cache at the base of the trig.
The frog series has been good fun. My favourite there so far had been "Munch Lunch" and "Frogeater" - you may like to read the log on "Munch Lunch"; at least I think it's funny.
We have a PTPT trail here along the Pipeline Track (Mt Wellington - Tasmania) and that series has been great to do - easy walking.
One of my passions is Waterfalls - did "Bob Bragg" on Sunday and enjoyed the cascading waters at the back of Judbury.
But maybe, just maybe I'm being too verbose with this log.
May you and yours have a MERRY CHRISTMAS, A HAPPY NEW YEAR; but above all else may it be a safe festive season.
TFTC and cheers; OldSaint.

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Average of 101 words per log

Wow ! I finally made it to my goal of writing 100 words per log on average. I'm not sure how many "TFTC" logs I wrote at the start of my caching career, but I'm glad I have now made amends for such poor logging earlier on in the piece. It's not just about finding a plastic container under bark at the base of a tree, it's about the enjoyment of getting out and about and experiencing the outdoors, and then writing about how much of a great time you had. I, now having achieved my goal, will try and aim for 120 per log, but I suspect that will take much longer to achieve. Thanks, A.

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http://geocaching.com.au/my/log/new/GA2628
WanderingAus wandered by with the WanderingMrs (aka SWMBO) the day after ending our 146 day annual Climatic Refugee trip. After a pause at Yanchep, and stops or pauses at Geraldton, Nerren Nerren, Carnarvon, Yannarie River, Nanutarra, Karratha, Yule River, Whim Creek, Port Hedland, De Grey River, Fitzroy Crossing, Halls Creek, Turkey Creek (Warmun), Ord River, Telegraph Creek, East Baines, Big Horse Creek, Timber Creek, Sullivan Creek, Katherine, Limestone Creek, Pine Creek, Hayes Creek, Adelaide River, Bridge Creek, and Acacia we spent eleven weeks in Darwin with visits to Howard Springs, Humpty Doo, Adelaide River (again), Berry Springs, Darwin River Dam, Mandorah, Robin Falls, Mary River, Gunn Point, and a few other spots.

Finally on the road again, the WanderingMrs had determined through the wonders of the Information Superhighway that there was over a week of line dancing at the Wentworth Services Club in New South Wales from the beginning of October, so we had less than six weeks to meander there. With stops or pauses at places like Coomalie, Adelaide River (yet again), Pine Creek (again), Katherine (again), Bitter Springs, Mataranka, Larrimah, Dunmarra, Newcastle waters, Elliott, Renner Springs, Three Ways, Tennant Creek, Three Ways (again), Avon Downs and Camooweal, we made our way to Mount Isa for a three day break from the driving.

From Mount Isa we paused or stopped at Mary Kathleen, Cloncurry, McKinlay, Kynuna and Winton before taking another break at Longreach, then on to Ilfracombe, Barcaldine, Blackall and Augathella before another break at Charleville. Morven, Wyandra, Cunnamulla, and Barringun sped under the wheels before a longer break at Bourke where we paid homage to Fred Hollows.

From Bourke it was a relatively short run to Cobar for another couple of days break, then on down the Kidman Way, through Gilgunnia, Mount Hope and Eubalong to Lake Cargelligo, because the WanderingMrs had determined, again through the wonders of the Information Superhighway, that there was line dancing that night in Lake Cargelligo, as well as in Griffith the following night. We passed through Rankins Springs on our way to Griffith, where we checked in to the caravan park for six nights. While there we managed to fit in visits to Warburn, Yenda, Yoogali, Wumbulgal, Leeton, Yanco, Euroley, Tombullen and Darlington Point.

After that we continued on down the Kidman Way, through Jerilderie and on to Finley for two nights, then Tocumwal, Cobram for one night, and then to Rochester for a couple of nights. Rochester was hard hit by the floods, and the caravan park we stayed at was still being repaired. Power was suppplied by a 125KVA portable generator, and in talking to the manager they were happy for any business they could get. We had no complaints and were very comfortable for the two nights we spent there. Had we been there at the time of the floods, the water would have been higher than the stove in the caravan.

While based at Rochester we visited Burramine, Yarrawonga, Bundalong, Lake Moodemere, Rutherglen, Collendina, Yarroweyah, Strathmerton, Echuca and Moama. On the road again we passed through Goornong and Huntly on the way to Bendigo, because the WanderingMrs had determined, once more through the wonders of the Information Superhighway, that there was line dancing that night in Kangaroo Flats, just south of Bendigo. We checked in to the A Line Caravan Park in Big Hill a little further south for two nights. Once again the WanderingMrs had chosen the caravan park through the Information Superhighway, and it was a top choice, excellent facilities and well laid out.

Before leaving Bendigo I placed an I've Cached Everywhere Man (ICEM) cache, GA3409 WanAus 201 - Bendigo ICEM. From Bendigo we did a right turn and headed West through Saint Arnaud and Murtoa to Horsham. During a couple of cold, wet and windy days in Horsham we visited Dadswells Bridge, Halls Gap, and part of The Grampians.

From Horsham we headed through Warracknabeal, Hopetoun and Tempy to Ouyen for one night, and then made our way to Curlwaa, not far from Wentworth, and booked in for five nights. While there we managed to fit in lots of visits to Wentworth, as well as Mildura, Merbein and a few other towns in the area. I also placed four I've Cached Everywhere Man (ICEM) caches on the River Murray, GA3470 WanAus 202 - River Murray - Curlwaa ICEM, GA3471 WanAus 203 - River Murray - Mildura Weir ICEM, GA3477 WanAus 204 - River Murray Meets the Darling ICEM and GA3479 WanAus 205 - River Murray - Merbein ICEM.

Once the line dancing competition was over the WanderingMrs was ready to head for home. After a night in Waikiri and a night in Jamestown we headed for Port Augusta via a roundabout way, and after three nights in Port Augusta we were finally on the last almost straight leg of our trip. Our first stop was Iron Knob, where I placed GA3482 WanAus 206 - Iron Knob ICEM. We bush-camped at the Old Perlubie School campsite overnight, then by 10 AM the next day had booked into the caravan park in Ceduna for the night.

After leaving Ceduna the WanderingMrs was in "run for home" mode, so after a morning tea break at Kyancutta, where I placed GA3493 WanAus 207 - Kyancutta ICEM, the driving stints got longer and the West Australian border loomed up fairly quickly. A night at the 147 peg had us crossing the border after morning tea in the border car park, then a partial refuel stop at Mundrabilla (just enough to reach Norseman, with 20 litres reserve for headwinds)and we then pulled into the Domblegabby Tank camping area on our second-last night. A brief break at Balladonia for morning tea (cappuchinos and muffins), then another break at Norseman, mainly for a partial refuel (just enough to reach Tammin, with 20 litres reserve for headwinds), and we were on our way to Boorabbin Camping Area for our last night on the road. The last day was marked by intermittent showers and some heavy rain, with brief stops at Southern Cross, Merredin, and Tammin. The price of Diesel at Tammin, 180 Km East of Perth, was, as usual, less than the price at Maddington, in the Perth Metropolitan Area.

Every town mentioned in the above narrative has seen me find a physical cache, find a trig point, find a locationless cache, place a cache, or maintain a cache. In the process my verbosity has increased dramatically. At the time of checking before writing this log, it was exactly 100, but I was ordered out by SWMBO to wash the caravan before I could finish it. While doing that I managed to fall off the step ladder, and sprained my wrist. By the time I looked at my verbosity again, after another batch update process by geocaching Australia seems to have happened, it increased to 102.



This log may well increase my verbosity even further.

T4TC hookline
Keith

Rated: for Overall Experience

I came across this locationless cache while searching for something else, so decided to check my verbosity. I suspect it has slipped a bit over the last year or so, but I was pleasantly surprised to find my average is exactly 70 words, with
Longest log of 638 words on Go'n'do - St Paul's Lowbank by Jardry - mainly due to a long story about me rescuing a dumped cat and her kittens.
Shortest log of 6 words on OVER AND UNDER by TheWobblys - when I checked this was a DNF & I am now most frustrated to find that others found the cache quite easily!!
Word count for this log = 123, so my average will increase slightly as a result...

Wow, I was really surprised to discover that my verbosity was 132 words. Can't believe I can prattle on so much...then again I can.

Agree wholeheartedly that it is worth it too at least make some effort when writing up logs. As a cache owner I do like to have some idea as to the finders experience.

TFTC,
Michael (GPS).

At last! I have finally reached 60 words per log. Exactly 60, so I have to be careful and keep the words coming.
Like a few others, I think my early logs were pretty short and rather uninformative (My geocaching friend said that was "all you had to do"), but after reading this virtual, I have been working hard to build my word count. It was stuck on 59 for a long time, so long I was starting to suspect some of my logs were going missing!
Hopefully I haven't waffled on in my logs too long, and they actually say something useful. I read about restaurant reviews where they were more about the reviewer than the food. So I started trying to write less about my trip to the cache and more about the cache itself. (I think I've just failed on that score yet again).
It's also a bit hard to write a lot about my favourite GCA virtual: SA state survey marks. There's only so much one can write about little brass plates. But I've done it.
Thanks for the cache, virtual or otherwise, I think we all appreciate a nice long log.

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Verbosity - Average of 80 words per log.

I have finally made it that I can now log this one again. After the 60 words per cache i have been working on getting it up to at least one hundred per cache. Sometimes it's feels like I am writing rubbish, but at least it tells a story of my caching game experience. It the early days I didn;t write much and i will go back and rewrite them, but for now 80 will do. Thanks again.

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Ah yes, the logs.

When I first started caching, WAY BACK in, oh hang on, just early this year, I would for the most part only log my finds a) from my phone, and b) in the most succinct way possible.

It was especially after I published my first cache that I realised where the value of the log really lies, and also where some of the mass appeal of this crazy hobby.

Ego is not a dirty word, but it certainly can be attached to the cachers who like to go on and on in their logs, and I think it also applies to those of us that decide that we're actually good enough to create a cache worthy of being found.

Do the verbose loggers like to hear the sound of their own fingers tapping the keys?

Why can't logging a cache on the geocaching.com website be as easy and pain free as t appears to be here?

Thanks a bunch for this cache. Logging it for the fun of it, because I can, and because I have found my word counts sky rocketting in the last couple of months, even when I am logging multiple finds for the day.

BTW, my current stats state....

Average of 73 words per log
Longest log of 506 words on Wantirna Estate by pprass
Shortest log of 4 words on Dancing on de Graves - Melbourne's Lanes #2 by iamapom

And as a note, the shortest log mentioned here was my first find. I think I have improved somewhat.....

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I so wanted to just write "Yup" as my log for this one, but that of course would not be in keeping with the theme os this case would it. My score is currently at 69 words per log but I'd like to push that one well over 100. When I first started caching I was abbreviating all my finds and it wasn't until I owned a few caches of my own that I realised that the longer the log the more appreciated I found it. I was so wrong at the begining and I have even thought of going back over theose original ones ane redoing them. I feel a little guilty... but then I don't have the time either. Thanks for this one... there that has to be over 100...

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At 88 words per log as per (http://geocaching.com.au/cacher/statistics/landau351/general) I have in fact missed out on the 60 words smiley

I am looking to improve my verbage in general and have been known to revisit logs that were almost 'TFTC' and add in detail. As I have been caching only a year or so it's easy to recall each cache visited. As I now have a few caches out of my own I agree that a chatty log is much preferred and that also helps me to add in as much relavant details as possible. I was unaware that people add in song lyrics into logs and see that is a waste. TFTC TNLN SL

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After WanderingAus mentioned this cache on the GCA forums, I thought I'd take a look and see what my verbosity was. Apparently it's 63, which I consider to be not too shabby when spread over 2761 log entries. That's a total of about 173,943 words I've two fingered into the old keyboard while on the GC website. Anyway, you can check my stats at http://geocaching.com.au/cacher/statistics/winterdragon/general if that sounds like the sort of thing that you'd like to do.

While I don't think much of short logs, I'm not sure that long logs are always a good thing either. For example, all those logs on this cache - they just go on and on, they're so wordy and so circomlotuitous that I don't have time to read them all.

Also, it's too easy to write a long log without much substance. For example you could just go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about nothing in particular. You could just ramble on about your day, like about how you got up this morning, felt a bit sleepy, so you went back to sleep for a few minutes, then you woke up again but felt worse than when you woke up the first time... you get the idea.

Another good way to pad out logs is to tell a joke. This is a good way to write a log for a cache which has absolutely nothing going for it - you know, the rusty lidless eclipse tin under a bush in a tip that's 20 m from the listed coordinates. Instead of saying how bad the cache is (the owner hasn't logged in for 12 months anyway, so won't see your log), or saying nothing, you can be positive and tell a joke. "My dog has no nose. How does he smell? Well he can't smell, because he doesn't have a nose, weren't you listening?" Cracks me up!

So have you read this far? Well done, you must have a low boredom threshold, and not much else on at the moment. So what next? Well, let’s calculate how hard it would be for me to get to an average of 70 words per log. Let’s say I want to achieve it by the time I hit 3000 finds. That means that the average number of words per log I need to have in the next 239 logs will be ((3000x70)-(2761x63))/ (3000-2761) = 150.8 Now that’s a lot of words to write in each and every single log entry, even for the aforementioned rusty lidless eclipse containers. How about if I want to get there by 4000 finds? That is ((4000x70)-(2761x63))/(4000-2761) = 85.6 words per log on average. That seems more achievable, but still a lot of waffling required. I guess I’d better start practicing. This log is a good start though, weighing in at 1064 words!

Still, I think it’s better to use just the right number of words to say what you want to say, no more and no less. As Einstein puts it, “Everything should be as simple as possible, but not simpler.” (although the truth is that he probably said it in German, and that’s why the English versions of this quote vary so much).

Since you have persisted, and read through this far, I’ll let you in on the secret of really long log entries. The best way that I’ve seen is to quote the entire lyrics of a song in your log. It looks relevant, it looks clever, and you’ve just scored a 200 word log. Awesome! So as a reward for sticking around, here are the entire lyrics of the worst song ever!

Seven a.m., waking up in the morning
Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal
Seein' everything, the time is goin'
Tickin' on and on, everybody's rushin'
Gotta get down to the bus stop
Gotta catch my bus, I see my friends (My friends)

Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend

7:45, we're drivin' on the highway
Cruisin' so fast, I want time to fly
Fun, fun, think about fun
You know what it is
I got this, you got this
My friend is by my right, ay
I got this, you got this
Now you know it

Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend

Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday
Today i-is Friday, Friday (Partyin')
We-we-we so excited
We so excited
We gonna have a ball today

Tomorrow is Saturday
And Sunday comes after ... wards
I don't want this weekend to end

R-B, Rebecca Black
So chillin' in the front seat (In the front seat)
In the back seat (In the back seat)
I'm drivin', cruisin' (Yeah, yeah)
Fast lanes, switchin' lanes
Wit' a car up on my side (Woo!)
(C'mon) Passin' by is a school bus in front of me
Makes tick tock, tick tock, wanna scream
Check my time, it's Friday, it's a weekend
We gonna have fun, c'mon, c'mon, y'all

It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend

It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend

Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend

J_&_J, Bronnie_1990

Hi Hookline
Can now log this cache as I checked tonight how my average was going and it has finally hit the magic figure of sixty.
When I first noticed your cache, my average was right on 50 words.
My log reporting grew much longer in verbosity and the next time I looked it had reached an average of 55 words.
So the length of the logs got even longer and before tonight I had it averaging 59.
We had an event for Richary here in Hobart tonight and everyone laughed when I mentioned that my log length was increasing so that I could achieve the required level of words to log this cache.
But, you are right, they said they enjoy the longer and more descrptive logs rather than the short and turse ones.
So thanks for the fun I've had trying to achieve success in logging this cache. Usually quiet and shy, I have now become verbose and mouthy. No-one else needs to comment on my last statement!!!
Hope I got sixty words here maintaining my usual quiet manner.
Now for the next level. God help us!!
Cheers and thanks for the cache; OldSaint.

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I had seen this locationless cache and was fascinated by the idea of this one. I thought that I would not be able to get this cache as at the time my average was in the 40s. Since then I have had a few exciting adventures with caches and this has been reflected in the length of my logs. I have also recently tried to maintain this average and I look forward to logging this cache once I get up to 80 words!

TFTC

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Wow, I didn't realise how much I have written for some logs! I was amazed to find that at 64 words average I can actually claim this locationless cache staight away. Mind you, I think Geohubby Jim has helped there as when we write up our finds a tthe end of the day, he always starts telling stories.

His stories can just go on and on sometimes, in fact when he was looking for work I had to explain tactfully why he couldn't keep on telling stories at job interviews....he still doesn't get it!

Anyway, looking back over some of our logs, particularly the earlier ones, it is quite funny to reread our experiences and to see what we were thinking of at the time (or not thinking!). I sometimes have to wonder what we had been eating or drinking too

As a cache owner, we really enjoy when folks take the time to write a bit more than TFTC. One of the best logs we received was for our ACT Phoenix cache at the Bushfire Memorial site in Canberra. This particular cacher had said that visiting there had moved her to tears - well, to be honest we were in tears just reading her log, it was so moving. Ah, those are the moments!

I enjoy reading the logs of our trackables as well, getting to live vicariously through them. Have to admit to being guilty of the quick drop off log but that is usually because I have forgotten to keep a note of the tracking number so can only perform the drop without a log.

Anyway, thanks for this cache, it's a great idea. And thanks for the additional challenge to aim for an 80 words average next!

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This cache has done it's job, with me at least. I'm new to geocaching but I realized that a descent log is useful to fellow searchers as well as the cache owner.
I have never been one to write one or two word logs but this has inspired me to be more descriptive and try to tell the story of the find. (If there's one to tell)

Average - 66, Longest - 146, Shortest - 19 and I'll try not to let my average fall. TFTC

Ah it looks like todays little run finally pushed me that one extra word over the line, so here I am
Verbosity Average of 60 words per log
Longest log of 303 words on Geometry with the Beach Birdies by lemmykc
Shortest log of 7 words on A Dizzy Cache by Rigger64

A great idea for a locationless and for increasing the interesting logs, I too find the sent from my mobile device and TFTC posts rather pointless and boring
Thanks Hookline!

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GCA 124 - 3881.

I check my 'score' after I got back from a caching run in NZ and was surprised to see its 62 ! I'll attach a screen shot to verify.

Interesting cache - I do enjoy telling the owner in my logs of my thoughts on their cache - especially if its a good one !!

TFTC !!

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Interesting cache! I am usually quit short in my comments, mainly because I am practical and because some caches do not deserve longer logs. On the other hand I must admit I love long end funny logs on my own hidden caches as well so I at least take a good effort when the cache is worth doing so. I think however my average number of words would be somewhere around 30-40.

My verbosity is down really low (Average 13 words) but this has inspired me to write longer logs

Been a while since I've done some actual caching so I figure a locationless is in order. This is one I saw when it first came out but I was about 5 words short. I looked today and I was at 61 words average woo hoo.
In all honesty I was rather tempeted to just write TFTC for this cache just because but then I figured that would probably reduce my average making this log ineligable.

Like a number of other cachers I have been aware of this locationless cache for quite some time. It, like so many others, has been sitting at the back of my mind niggling away wanting to be "found" but constantly being relegated to the "do it later" pile.

Well, now is finally "later" and I have a few minutes to sit and write a log....

I often look at my stats and wonder how many other cachers spend the time and effort to write decent length logs. Many do spend a bit of keyboard time and come up with a decent story whilst others, fortunately the minority, can conjure up not much better than a few oft quoted letters. My stats show my shortest log at 3 words. I'm embarrassed at my pathetic effort and offer my most humble apologies to Maccamob. I could go back and rewrite the log (it was some time back but I clearly remember the cache) but I feel it is better to leave the log as is and use it to remind me of what I once was.

Nowadays I seem to spend as much time out searching as I do at the keyboard. As a result my average word count has risen in a few large jumps to a healthy 74 words. It was certainly helped along by a couple of "unfortunate" incidents (see http://snipurl.com/calder and http://snipurl.com/wiradjuri) and the quite long logs I posted for both of these caches.

My long(ish) postings have two purposes; to tell my story, and more importantly, to tell the cache owner about my experience searching for their cache. I know as the owner of a number of caches how much I appreciate the time spent by another cacher logging his experiences. I especially enjoy reading the logs about the troubles and, occasionally, the failures.

I do not appreciate the poor effort of some cachers as they log just a few shorts words and my pet hate is the denigration of our Aussie language by the use of Americanisms and “internet speak”.

There is little point in getting on my soapbox to preach to the converted. If you are reading this log then you will have already grown well past the point of “TNLNSL TFTC” cache logs. I can only hope that some of the non verbose cachers can be converted in increase their average log length.


Thank you Hookline for creating this cache and allowing me ramble for four hundred and sixteen words.

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Well, after a very quiet four months of caching, I've only added 200 finds since claiming the find of this one. It doesn't help when you have to spend at least 80% of your time on cache maintenance, but that's the price of cache ownership.

I haven't really been going out of my way to improve my verbosity score of 85, but today I decided to have a look, and was amazed to find IT HASN'T CHANGED!!! I expected it would have either gone up or down, but no movement at all!!!

I'm amazed at the number of logs I see for my caches which either read "sent from my mobile device" or " " (yes, nothing at all).

I'm also gladdened by logs which report the appreciation for my placements, such as these words which were part of a 170 word log for my cache GC2KPK3 WanAus 166 - Waterfall View:
"Wandering Aus, how do you find these hidden gem locations ? Words would not describe the location, going there and breathing in the ambiance of the place ... A tribute to the natural splender of the bush and nature",
and this 125 word log for the same cache:
"Wow!!! We did about a dozen caches on this date ...and this was easily the cache-of-the-day! A lovely hiding place, and a spectacular location! Geowife grew up in this area, and never knew that this waterfall even existed barely a few km from where she grew up! An absolute feast for the eyes! ... Absolutely brilliant, and easily the highlight of our day! If ever a cache served to highlight the benefits of geocaching in bringing you to otherwise unknown but beautiful locations, this is the one!".

It's also nice when cachers seek out your caches for their milestone finds, such as this one for that same cache (what can I say, it really is an awesome spot): "What a great cache to have as our 2000th GC find".

Did I mention that was also a cache which has these two logs: "great view" and "Sent from my mobile device". Is there some way I can prevent specific cachers from hunting my caches? I know I can ignore a cache, but it would be nice if I could have my caches ignore specific cachers?

T4TC hookline, I'll check back again in a few months to see if I've improved.
Keith

I often forget about locationless caches and so don't photograph things that would qualify (etc), but when I was having a little look today at the full list, I wondered if I'd qualify to log this one. I was surprised to find that there was no problem in that respect. So then I scrolled through all the logs to see what others wrote in their logs - surprised to see how verbose some cachers average shows, and also surprised that some people could be so low as to be in the 20s. My shortest log says it's only 1 word - which is a bit misleading as its a complete log but it is logged in binary. (I think that's what it's called). So it must only register as one word because of the format.
An interesting cache idea - well done hookline.

Average of 76 words per log
Longest log of 464 words on Split Rock Falls by sirius Tas
Shortest log of 1 words on Computer Games 10 by Budgietas

I first heard about this locationless while listening to Spindoc Bob on the Geotalk podcast. I checked my statistics and found that I was only at 52, so I decided I would make an effort to add a bit more detail to my logs for then on and see how I go.

This has been made a little more difficult since I started doing most of my logs using my mobile phone, and it is not much fun typing lots of words with my thumbs!

Well, the hard work has paid off and today my average word count is at 62 (yay!) .. I'm going to try and keep up the habit and lift it further. Thanks for the fun!

Average of 62 words per log
Longest log of 363 words on Cache 99 by Freddo
Shortest log of 6 words on Transit Lounge by Pipes_down_under

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When this cache first appeared, I checked our GCA stats and we were on an average of 59 words. I did calculate at the time, that if I were to log this cache with a 1,074 word log, that would bring our average up to the required 60, however, that would not be in keeping with the spirit of cache would it!!

I always try to write an interesting log, although sometimes it's a little difficult if nothing exceptional happened. For exceptional caches, we generally get geomum/wife to create the log since she has the knack. I enjoy reading good logs when other find our caches and hope the trend to very short logs does not become the norm.

For the record, our current stats are below. I'll try not to drop below the magic 60.

Verbosity
Average of 60 words per log
Longest log of 540 words on Traditional Île Française Numéro 2 by geofreak
Shortest log of 8 words on Traditional Number 1 Red by LIVERPOOLRED

Average of 64 words per log
Longest log of 516 words on Ring Ring by Big Matt and Shell
Shortest log of 2 words on The Most Boring Cache in the World by MADSTARS

Since people have been logging with the cursed Iphones the logs have been getting shorterer and shorterer.
I wholeheartedly agree with the principle of this cache.
Thanks for setting it up.

Only yesterday I stumbled across this cache listing:
http://coord.info/GC1YT47

where in the cache description it actually states:

"Logging Etiquette: Geocache hiders sometimes go through a great deal of planning to place their caches. As a result, they'd like to hear your feedback on whether you liked or disliked any aspect of the hide, or if you feel that some cache maintenance is required. Single word, acronym, or emoticon logs may be easier when you have a lot of caches to log, but it doesn't tell the hider or other finders anything about your adventure (or lack thereof) in finding the cache. Please keep this in mind when entering your log."

However, It hasn't worked. But the idea is there.

TNLNSLTFTC

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I've wondering for ages if there was a full list of locationless caches, rather than me just finding new ones from the changing picture list on the front page. Then this morning I was looking for something else on the menu & found that there actually is a list!

Scanned through them, opening up the ones that either sounded interesting or ones that I had no idea what they were about. This was one of the no idea ones. And that of course led me to another new discovery, how to see how verbose I am on cache logs.

My results are:

- Average of 82 words per log
- Longest log of 339 words on Multi-cache Blue Mountains Bookworm by The Base Campers
- Shortest log of 23 words on TrigPoint This cache is listed on Geocaching Australia Emu Plains by Geocaching Australia

So it turns out I am well over 60 and not unexpectedly, my shortest logs tend to be on trig points. I live in an area where most of the trig points are on top of water reservoirs - how much can you really say about them? They become exotic if are red instead of the normal black!

Thanks for an amusing locationless that has taught me a little more about GCA statistics .

Well done Bubbles_Baby123! Congratulations!! *applauds* And top effort to everyone else who has made an attempt to improve their score, whether successful or yet to be successful. That's exactly what this cache was designed for and I'm proud that it has made a difference to at least a few people's logging habits. Really pleased with the logs coming in for this cache.

Excellent stuff!

Bronnie_1990

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I joke! I joke! I FINALLY MADE IT!!!
Average of 60 words per log
Longest log of 320 words on Casualty Ward by Bluedog
Shortest log of 12 words on Fore!gone Conclusion by Fore!

It has taken me ages. My words on average went down to 58, then back to 59, then FINALLY up to 60. Yippie! I'm starting to get better at waffling on and on in logs.
mmm, waffles.

Woop woop!

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Searching though the locationless caches and spotted this one. Thought this is interesting! So I read it. Now it's a long descirption, but as long as there is a point to the story, I will read on, so please read on... Verbosity ?? What the...? OK I can check on GCA, and follow.. ok...hang on, new IE tab, open GCA again while keeping this one open, cacher page... General...OMG...really. 61 words. EXCELLENT Can't believe it. So I though I'd log it. Then as I'm typing away, I realise I can't just type, '61 words, got it', becaue wouldn't that bring my average down...why yes it might. So log it and explain and come to conclusion that I'm at 61 words or maybe even more after this...whew...Love this geocaching stuff. AWESOME

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I was already at an average in the 50's when I noticed this cache, but it took a while to get it up higher, hitting 60 today at last.
My Longest log is 319, and the shortest was only 5 - I say WAS, as I edited it to make it longer, but that made no difference to the stats page anyway - it still shows as the shortest at 5 words a month ofr so later - grr - I was originally going to take the easy way and improve all the short ones, but not only does that not work, but I no longer need to do so.
Anyway, thanks for forcing me to give a bit more info in my logs, and for the smiley.

So, i thought i'd check out this one again, as it was in my list of "DNF"'s. How do you not find a locationess cache, one wonders? Oh well.
Cacher page..stats...general...let me see..
Average of 57 words per log
Longest log of 320 words on Locationless This cache is listed on Geocaching Australia Casualty Ward by Bluedog
Shortest log of 3 words on Traditional Gurney's Gallantry by The Sundowners

Fifty seven words on average? I could of swarn it was at fifty eight words on average, at one point! My average words went down by one whole word! Who could imagine such a thought?

So, yet again, i am forced to log this as a "Did not find it" and have a disaproving cross against it's name.
Will i ever make it to 60 words on average?
I could of sworn that my log of 3 words (for Gurney's Gallantry) has more than three words in it. Oh..maybe not. Drats! I'll check again!

By the way, i sure hope this makes my average word count go up..otherwise i'll have to start waffling on even MORE.

Thanks for the ..sheer embarrasement that this has caused by still not "finding" this cache. Hahaha.

FURTHER EDIT: WOOP! Fifty nine words on average! ARRGH! CAN I WRITE ONE MORE WORD?

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I haven't checked in on the locationless caches for quite sometime, so I had missed this one until I heard it mentioned on a recent-ish GeoTalk podcast.

As it happens, I've been making a conscious effort to write *shorter* logs over the past year, so I was a bit worried that I might not make the grade. I am, however, pleased to discover that my average is currently 61. Phew - that was close!!

I know that I appreciate seeing more than "Quick find, TFTC." in caches that I've hidden - especially ones that took some work to set up, so thanks for encouraging cachers to write more in their logs.

Yay! After a month of conscious effort to improve the feedback in my logs I have now hit 61 words average verbosity! Thanks for inspiring me to be more detailed in my logs. I was already at 58, but with 1500 finds it takes a while to bump the average up

Without getting silly I will continue to try to provide entertaining stories and info for the hiders of the caches I find

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Wow! A cache that I can log at my desk at work With enough time today to actually take lunch, I decided to read through the new Locationless caches and there are heaps! When I discovered this one, i figured I'd be hard pushed to get to 60 but maybe over the next 6 months I might reach it.

But no! I am already at 71 average without even trying!!!
My longest to date was 649 so I guess that helped boost the score. But I actually did one log that was only 4 words But at least they were nice words "Nice find, thanks" seems a good message even if it is a bit short.

Anyway, thanks for this cache, it's great to focus on this sort of thing and I'll have to make sure all future logs are 71 words or more so my score increases!!

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I'm pleased to be able to report that I qualify for this locationless cache! I really had no idea that it existed. In fact, I'm very new to the whole concept of locationless caches.

According to the GCA, my current geocaching log verbosity level is 179 words per log. Or, at least, it was at this level before I completed this new log!

Since I began geocaching about two years ago, I've always believed that reporting on finds -- and taking photos -- was a signifcant part of the fun.

Of course, it does take a bit longer to complete your log when you more fully describe your experiences, but overall everyone benefits. Occasionally friends have told me that they enjoy my geocaching logs. Once I had so much to say that I had to split a log into two parts, both less than 800 words, which I think is the maximum allowed.

I believe that my average verbosity score is now pretty high, compared to the average run of logs, and am doubtful that I can raise it by 20 words so as to qualify a second time. But who knows? Perhaps it's possible. Does anyone know if there are statistics as to who is the most verbose geocacher in Australia?

As a youngster, I remember reading about popular writers who were actually paid 'by the word' for newspaper and magazine articles they were commissioned to write. However, I'm not sure that this system of payment led to better literary productions.

And also, at a young age, I can remember having to write 'book reports' of so many pages, or so many words. This was very painful. When the report was specified in page, you could at least write VERY VERY LARGE!

At University, I seem to recall that essays were assigned in numbers of words, and that 200-250 words per page was considered average, so that professors would simply count the pages. (This was in the days before word processing, when we either typed out our papers or hired someone else to do it for us. (As a matter of fact, I used to earn extra money by typing assignments for my friends -- using a very small portable typewriter that folded up into a case. I wonder where this machine went? It would now be a collectors' item.)

Thanks very much for this particular cache. I really appreciate it. I'm not sure how many 'Thumbs' it rates, compared to other caches, but I'm going to give it a '3' for originality.

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I am going to log this locationless as a find also. I think these days i tend to write a more in depth log as the caches i do now are more one off type caches. Most of the caching trips i have planned in recent times are at the top of mountains or out in the rainforest so at the end of a long walk i only have 1 smiley to my name but am much more satisfied than doing 20 drive-bys. My current verbosity is 73 words and will no doubt increase if i continue to find caches that have a lot more to offer than a simple shrub in the suburbs.

I am no longer a cache owner having moved interstate and adopted out my 7 previous hides. But when i was it was good to see people take the time to write about their experiences other than just the boring old TFTC response. If you take the time to show someone something interesting or a place of natural beauty, then i think it is only fair to let the owner know you enjoyed it and they didnt waste their time.

I think this is a great idea and hopefully will get people to tell more of a story about their finds. As for everyone annoyed by the log length when using phones etc i am going to write longer logs just for you Cheers

I......just......can't....do....it.....Cap'n!!

I have tried and tried to waffle but I am the sort to condense my words into more meaningful, old fashioned, bigger, less used words so therefore I cannot extrapolate much more that I already do!

Rats!
It is far out of my reach!

Verbosity: Average of 61 words per log

After hovering around 58/59 words for a bit, I checked the good old "vebosity" stat today and it showed "61 words".

Finally all that rambling on has paid off.

It is great to see that the more "verbose" logs are being encouraged.

I have been to some fantastic caches and have been on some amazing adventures to get to them. I have seen subsequent logs by other cachers that are only a few words long..... Everyone caches their own way but I like to spend a bit more time to record my experience and put in some details that I can read through at a later stage.

Great idea. TFTLC

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Phew! Finally I'm able to log this cache again!

When the forum topic came up about cache log verbosity, I checked and I posted on the 7th of October that I was at 60 words/log. Anyways, must have found a WHOLE heap of crappy micros or something because when this locationless cache was posted in that same thread, I checked, and I was at 59 words/log! NOOooooo....

So from then on, I've felt I've been waffling a heap in logs just to get me back up to 60 words per log!

Today I checked again, YAY! Again 60 words per log!!

So pulled off the stats pages just now:
"Average of 60 words per log
Longest log of 612 words on Multi-cache Home of HöpsHöps the roo by º
Shortest log of 1 words on Moveable This cache is listed on Geocaching Australia On Her Majesty's Postal Service by wing6rider"

YEAH!

Really makes one think about what they're writing.

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With a Verbosity score of 88, I include my longest log as below. A long story attached but you may get the idea -

We were sweating with trepidation as we approached this 4/4 cache. We needed all the help that we could get and we lined up 86 of Australia's most experienced geocaching teams to help.

An incredible 40m walk awaited us and after many days of planning we had all assembled at the starting point. The first three metres was uneventful and we thought that we may have over-estimated the difficulty. Then, a pygmy tribe had been lying in wait. Without warning, blow darts flew out of the bushes and two teams were down and their bodies were dragged into the bushes. In the panic, some younger teams tried to escape. It was a trap. We tried to stop them but it was to no avail. Their screams were immediately stilled. We were forced to circle east. The Poppycock Pals and Horsemeat Harry had scouted ahead. We followed their trail and discovered their hats lying atop a quicksand pit. We detoured once more and were still 27m from the cache. More horrors were to follow. We had wandered into a grove where sentient plants were king. Geocachers were going down left, right and centre. The most ironical was when The Ivy Family were gobbled up by a mutant mushroom just as Mushroom Mel was dragged away by poison ivy. You could see that he saw the funny side as we glimpsed a smirk on his face as he disappeared forever behind the wall of leaves.

Only about 22 teams had managed to fight our way out to the north but the silver lining was that we had been pushed within 15m of the cache. It was evident that not all of us were going to make it out of here alive, so when Postpal Phil proposed that we double our chances by splitting into two groups, we thought only of the cache and agreed. 10 teams went with Phil north east and there were 10 teams in our group who would scout around north west. This left GPS Gary in doubt as to which group he would join but the problem was solved when a Bengali Tiger, who had been watched from above, pounced from the tree and dragged him away. We said our goodbyes to the other group and wished them luck and went our seperate ways. We never saw any of them again.

The path we had chosen seemed to be good and we soon got to within 9m of the cache. The trouble was, our path was blocked by an imopsing river. Luckily some floating logs provided us with a crossing option. Six teams had safely made the crossing when the logs started to move. CROCS! The two teams still in the middle stood no chance but Team Raccoon were making good headway until just before the bank, a huge beast leapt out of the water and swallowed them whole, even their Corgi. Well, half their Corgi at least. The front half jumped to the bank and ran around in circles on it's front two legs yipping it's little heart out for a good thirty seconds before the poor little bugger finally passed out through lack of blood and slid down the bank, back into the water.

Despite the losses, we still had cause for celebration. We stood at Ground Zero. Cprass located the cache at 10:20am. Four teams had managed to log, when Team Groundnut and the Cockroach Clan dropped to the ground. Blowdarts! The pygmys had caught us. Pprass could take no more and he ripped his clothes away leaving no more than his gold lined leopard skin lap-lap. He let out a blood curdling Tarzan cry, picked Cprass up under his arm and headed for the vines in the treetops. Had the rest of us not had the presence of mind to grab hold of his lap-lap, we too would have been surely doomed. From vine to vine he swang until he had delivered us safely back to the safety of our cars. Only Pprass, Maccamob, Squalid and myself, (Rabbitto) remain to tell the tale.

Given the above, I would agree that the 4/4 difficulty and terrain rating is fairly appropriate.

Oh, and could the next finder please keep a look our for Peter's clothes. It got a bit chilly by the end of the day (especially after the little lap-lap in the car door accident later in the day) and he would like them back.

Thanks from D B-A.

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Yeah! didn't know if I'd make it because I thought people didn't want long logs and I was trying to be more economical. 65 is my average (or should that be my mean?? Stats person feel free to correct me). I love writing logs, get ideas out in the wild. I think of literary or other allusions, songs, current events, anything can be woven into the log. It's my way of exercising a creative side that's been covered up too long. Glad to see that suggestion re making cachers place a hide so they can see how it feels when finders are stingey with their words. I can now plan to take the next exam and move up a grade. Thanks for a great idea with this cache.

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(Anyone with a score of 100+ is truly awesome and supreme!!)

Well, thank you for recognising my awesomeness. Sometimes I think I am awesome but everyone around me just laughs and laughs and laughs.

As of 23-Oct-2010 by awesomeness (sorry), my verbosity sits at 104. That's actually a slight decrease over when I first made this statistic for Geocaching Australia. At that point it was 106. I must be getting slightly less verbose each and every time I log.

Do you think word padding logs with rhetorical questions counts as cheating?

Anyway, I don't normally log locationless cache, only because I forget what I'm supposed to do but this latest addition meant that I could remember the cache and of course as the creator of the statistic, I also knew what my own verbosity total was going to be.

Hopefully a long and entertaining, er, um, rambling log like this one will bump me up a little bit more towards that magical 120 and of course, a few smilies always helps

Thanks hooklime for thinking up and publishing this interest cache. It will interesting to see over time whether peoples verbosity goes down, up or stays around the same.

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It was a bit of a surprise to see that I was wordier than I thought I was. These days I am logging from the field with my iPhone but as field notes and then when I get back home am expanding those short notes with more of a log. I am probably not as wordy as I used to be with this method. Who knows?

I try to tell some of the story of my search and find and if I was with company or not.

Average of 68 words per log
Longest log of 769 words on Event Come Celebrate our Town by dalekerrigan
Shortest log of 4 words on Traditional Railway Spout by slimeyoneortwo

WanderingAus: No, you don't claim finds for both 60 and 80, just one log for being above 60. To claim a second find, you need to reach the next 'magic number', which in your case is 100. (Since you're already a bit ahead, you 'only' need an increase of 15, not 20 for the next mark). Hope that makes sense??

Pesky: That's an awesome couple of logs. (Both the long one and the short one!) Haha!

My current score is 67, just scraped through.
My longest log was 514 words , for a now archived event, Which also contained a poem i wrote about the fun we had...

Six cars went caching!

Six cars went caching
Six mighty four wheel drive.
one ran out of fuel
then there were five.

five cars of cachers
on an outback tour,
one cacheing-kid said "lets go home"
then ther were Four.

Four cars of cachers
Kanagra walls did see,
One feared the heights of Jenolan
then there was three.

Three cars of cachers
reached Jenolans heighest view
one got there and back too quickly
leaving just the two.

Two cars of cachers
Lost for Words had done,
One went home to rest thier legs,
then there was one.

One car of cachers
at Jenolan stayed the night,
Rain interupted his day off
And now he's out of site.

No cars of cachers,
We've all gone home to rest
dreaming of the games and fun
that we liked best.


My shortest just 1 word. "oops", for a cache we accidentaly lost down a mine shaft whislt on a simmilar event through the hill end district.

TFTC TNLN Not FTF, GAFF1, FTMNCH.

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My logs almost invariably include "LCC, TNLNSL" and "T4TH" or "T4TC", so you'd think I would struggle to make the grade, but it's whatever else I say that brings me up in the counts. Since I currently have a verbosity of 85, do I claim a find for 60 and a find for 80, or do I now wait until 105 before making my second claim?

Average of 85 words per log.
Longest log of 610 words on GC150VC Mulga Breakaway by way-finder. This was a real adventure, part of the Outback Way, which is also billed as "Australia's Longest Shortcut". As the WanderingMrs (aka SWMBO) slowed down approaching the track to the cache, there was a loud "BANG!!!", and she sadly reported "the tailgate glass just broke". This allowed me to claim yet another find of GA1006 Panelbeater by Bluedog.
The cache was placed in an awesome spot, which warranted a long log anyway, but the container was in bad shape, so I claimed a find of GA1532 Doing it for them by stringy as a reward for replacing the container.

Shortest log of 3 words on GCR7CM H.M.A.S. Janale by Janale Girls, which is a Micro, with this as part of it's description "Its a multi with a puzzle element to it as well". I was always taught "if you can't say something nice don't say anything", and It's hard to find anything nice to say about a multi-puzzle ending in a micro.

Of course since my shortest log actually reads "TNLNSL T4TH Keith" it's really 11 words long. Any micro or nano log of mine is under-stated by 8 words, and any cache big enough for a calling card is under-stated by 10 words. Enough said (almost). Total length of this log is 337 (I think).

*Recommended* *Overall Experience: 2*

T4TC hookline
Keith

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